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toryx
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on: December 13, 2011, 09:39
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I've recently gotten back into the habit of playing Civilization IV rather obsessively until I drop from exhaustion. Which got me thinking back to a few conversations with Torie and others on that other site back in the day about computer gaming.

Since then Civilization V has been released and I never did get around to buying it. So I was wondering what the general opinion of potential other players around here might be regarding the latest Civilization offering. I heard a lot of complaints, but is there anyone who enjoyed it as much as or more than Civ IV?

Or are you all too busy playing Skyrim? (I haven't been able to buy it yet, myself.)

Any other games that are so good it's sacrilegious not to have or so bad that you want to talk about it?

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on: December 13, 2011, 10:02
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CIV!! I've been on another Civ IV kick recently. DeepThought and I played maybe ten hours of it last week, including last night. It's one of my absolute favorite games, managing utterly absorbing complexity without being impenetrable. If you ever want to play with us, let me know! We can do a 3x3 against the AI or something.

I pre-ordered Civ V so I've had it since day 1. I can't tell you how excited I was about it. But the game... I hate it. I hate the hexagonal tiles, I hate hate HATE Steam, I hate that the diplomacy is broken, and I hate how it's managed a Europa Universalis 3 level of arcane difficulty. There's no real tutorial, either. I think DT can better describe the game's flaws since he played it a lot more than I did (I quickly got frustrated and went back to Civ IV, my sweet sweet Civ IV).

I haven't bought or played Skyrim. I'm currently obsessed with the latest Assassin's Creed game (but on the Xbox). I figure by the time I'm through with AC, Skyrim will have dropped in price.

Other exclusively computer games that I love... I don't replay a lot of games aside from Civ and my Sierra citybuilding games. I love both Zeus and Emperor. They're old and they look a little silly now, but I still go back to them from time to time. Emperor is objectively the better game but Zeus is one of the first computer games I ever really loved, and the only game other than Civ that I actually got so absorbed in I missed class while playing it in college. Every once in a while I'll idly play some KOTOR (I never could get into Bioware's more recent offerings, Mass Effect or Dragon Age).

The only "modern" computer game I play is Left 4 Dead 2, which I only play if other friends are online and interested. I used to play WoW... but the less said about that the better, I think.

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on: December 13, 2011, 10:30
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I've got to warn you against Civ V. I don't necessarily mind hex tiles, but there were so many things broken, most of which probably stemmed from one-unit-per-tile -- but the worst of it all was that the game was tediously, mind-numbingly boring. Civ IV has lots of complex decisions, trade-offs, the three main driver resources (food, production, commerce) being partially cross-convertible, plus the derived resources (research and culture) plus the carefully balanced bonus resources; lots of interesting ways to win; in short lots of interesting distinctive strategic decisions that a player can make to achieve a variety of aims in a variety of different ways.

In Civ V, everything just comes down to food. I'd go on further, but it's best just to link you: http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ5/whatwentwrong.html

Civ IV, however, is one of the richest strategy games I've played. It's a shame that V was such a dog.

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on: December 13, 2011, 11:13
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I've never been able to get into the Civ series. I think I'm too impatient to sit down and really study the manual, which seems to be absolutely necessary. I liked some of the early Sim titles, like the first couple editions of SimCity and SimEarth back in the day (lawn, off, etc.) and I love the old Civilization board game (not the Sid Meier one, the earlier one that takes at least six people and six hours to play), but I tried Civ I and III and always gave up within an hour.

My wife is currently playing Skyrim (one of her birthday presents a few days late) and it looks gorgeous, though a bit monotone in the color scheme. The new leveling system looks interesting, too. I'm consoling myself by replaying Oblivion, this time with Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine included. By the time she's ready to let me play Skyrim, I'll better be able to justify getting a new computer that can run it.

Otherwise, I generally prefer RPGs and action. I'm not big on strategy and building games. And shooters tend to be too fast for me. I like sneaking and attacking from cover. Thief III, now there was a game. Rumors of a Thief IV were floating around a year or so ago. That would be cool.

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on: December 13, 2011, 11:29
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Demetrios: I never played Civ I, but Civ III was seriously flawed. I didn't really get into it and it took a lot of convincing for me to try Civ IV. It was worth it, though. Civ IV also has a really fantastic tutorial system--one of the best of any PC games--so you don't need to study the manual, you learn by doing, and you do it slowly and naturally. Its two expansions (Warlords and Beyond the Sword) are, I believe, now integrated into the game, and they were great. It looks like Civ V was such a wipeout that now they're making Facebook games... that is so depressing.

I'm a big RPGer but mostly on the Xbox (except KOTOR).

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on: December 14, 2011, 09:53
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Geez, I went and posted my questions and then the rest of the day I was too busy to actually look at the responses.

Anyway, Civ IV is a game I never seem to tire of. I stop for a few months but somehow always get drawn back in. I didn't buy Civ V because I heard that the diplomacy is broken and frankly, that's one of my favorite parts of the game. I tend to spend a lot of time and effort finding diplomatic solutions and only go to war when I have no choice.

Anyway, from what you guys (Torie and Deepthought) are saying, I'm glad I never bothered to buy it. That link does seem to say it all. At least Civ IV never gets old.

I'll have to check out Emperor. I'm a big fan of a lot of the older strategy games. The newer graphics are great and all but sometimes I think they sacrificed a lot of gameplay so that the screen can look prettier and that makes no sense to me. Anyway, my favorite of the really old strategy games is Alpha Centauri. I sure wish they could make a sequel to that and tie it to Civ IV.

I bought the original Assassin's Creed game (for the PC) a couple of years ago but I never really got that far into it. Primarily because there are no captions. Beautiful game, though. Have any of you played the second one? Is it an improvement on the first? I really want to enjoy it because I love the settings and the history but I just never could immerse myself for some reason.

Demetrios: Much as I love the strategy games like Civ IV, RPGs are my favorite. I've never gotten into any of the massive online games but back in the day I was a huge fan of the Baldur's Gate series. I loved Dragon Age but from the sounds of Dragon Age II, they got rid of all the stuff I loved about the original so I never bought that one. I was heavily invested in Oblivion until Fallout 3 came out and I got obsessed with that. Fallout 3: New Vegas is pretty fun too but I never did get into it as much as the original.

Going way, way back, I was a huge fan of the Dragon Warrior games on the SNES.

I always meant to play KOTOR but I never did get around to it. And I don't have an Xbox...I'm PC gaming only these days.

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on: December 14, 2011, 12:08
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What I love about the Sierra games like Zeus and Emperor is the attention to detail and all the little jokes. I like what the people say when you click on them--the workers might be working for the weekend, or one guy who pushes a cart remarks in Emperor that "the folks at the hemp farm are a bit odd, but they keep me well supplied, so I can't complain." There are also a lot of puns. The animations of the various buildings and such are just as entertaining. In Zeus, when you build a theater, you see a little guy with wings strapped to his back hanging from a winch spinning in circles out of control. The gladiators perform in the little arena slapping each other and so on and so forth. Civ does a great job with this, too--the sheep hop around and baa if you zoom in, the unit designs are unique for each empire, etc. I just love it when I feel like a game has been loved by the people who made it. I was so excited when they released Caesar IV, the latest Sierra citybuilding game, but it was actually worse than Civ V. The game was so buggy it was unplayable. I don't think I ever finished a game because of showstopping graphical glitches and crashes.

The first Assassin's Creed game is vaguely interesting to watch (it's definitely a cool concept and a really awesome setting), but gameplay is extremely boring and repetitive. I watched DT play it through and felt no impulse whatsoever to play it myself. The second one, however has become one of my all-time favorite games in history. It's up there with A Link to the Past and Civ IV. The story is fantastic, graphics are gorgeous, and gameplay is dynamic and scalable. I can't possibly recommend it enough. The next game, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, sticks with the character from AC2 and that was actually an even better game. I'm playing the fourth game in the franchise now (also the same character as 2), and I'm mostly liking it but it has some major flaws. If you're able to, get AC2. I love love love it.

I played so much Dragon Quest VIII on the PS2! That game was great, but I'm kind of over the whole random encounter thing. After playing Tales of Vesperia (fantastic game), which has a dynamic, real-time combat system, I don't think I can go back to turn-based combat, either.

Does Civ IV still support that idiotic GameSpy multiplayer network? Because I'd love to play a game with you sometime!

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on: December 14, 2011, 13:14
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I used to play Civ alot. I have't for several iteration of the game, but I'm afraid to try it now'cause I think it's tunr into a horrible time sink. :D

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on: December 14, 2011, 17:31
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I'm like bobsandiego, I only don't play Civ because each iteration I've played has become an addiction serious enough that I had to delete it.

I'm now trying to decide whether my addiction to Hearts of Iron III (which is basically Europa Universalis 3, set in World War II, and with a billion tech trees) ETA, stupid sentence fragments: is becoming a problem. The learning curve is practically asymptotic, but once you get past it, if you do, it's a lot of fun. Well, "fun", in the sense that simulating a conflict that killed untold millions of people in horrible ways is "fun". But I was a wargamer from the moment my father (bless that man, FSM) gave me a copy of <i>War at Sea</i> when I was 10. :D

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on: December 14, 2011, 18:53
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I feel like Torie's already said what I would've said about AC2. It's possibly one of the best games ever made. No really.

@caitieCat

HoI2... I haven't tried it. I bought a copy of Victoria, but never played that either -- I used to love EU2 and EU3, until I finally got so incredibly frustrated with the peace negotiation system in EU3 -- it was just so thoroughly, fundamentally broken, because of the cross purposes between single-player and multi-player gameplay. The AI would not give up any territory without being forced into it by a massively decisive victory on the part of the human player. Which is what you need for multiplayer, to keep one player from gobbling up the immediate neighborhood, but doesn't work at all in SP. If I want to claim the province of Calais, I have to conquer half of France; and having conquered half of France, I'm certainly going to ask for more than Calais: but I can't get it until I conquer all of France! They tried to justify it by saying "oh, well, you know, you didn't have large peace deals in that historical period, that would be ahistorical" -- which is true enough, I suppose, though negotiators would be much more willing to sign smaller peace deals. But what's really ahistorical is that I can actually conquer all of France!

...but I am ranting and shall stop!

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on: December 15, 2011, 14:11
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I really wish I could sell Assassin's Creed one and use the proceeds to buy the second one now. After that recommendation, I totally want to play it.

The attention to detail you describe, Torie, sounds a little bit like what they did with Thief (as Demetrios mentioned). I've only played the first of that game and a few minutes of the third one but it used to be when you snuck up on a guard you'd hear him mumbling to himself about how bored he is with standing alone in the dark and the cold. Or if you moved too fast and made a sound he'd say, "Whazzat?" and start looking around for you. It was awesome. I've got Thief 3 but it's a little too old for my computer and I haven't gotten around to figuring out how to slow it down enough to be playable.

But (and I forgot to mention this yesterday) I'd love to see what they might do with a Thief IV.

Anyway, I'm fairly bored with the random encounter thing too but I still like turn based combat. Mainly because I'm starting to get kind of old and my reflexes just aren't what they used to be.

Somehow I've never heard of Hearts of Iron but now I'm intrigued. I might have to go looking for that.

By the way (and man, am I bouncing around in topics today) I loved A Link to the Past too. That was such an awesome game. So now I really ought to get AC2 since we seem to have such similar tastes. I almost bought a PS2 just for Dragon Quest VIII but never did. Now I kind of want to. And I also have a desire to try to conquer all of France.

So much to do and so little time to do it in...

By the way, I have no idea if Civ IV supports GameSpy's network or not. I'll have to check that out because it would be fun to play, although I'm a little worried that I'd be nowhere as good as you guys are and totally embarrass myself. :)

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on: December 15, 2011, 15:56
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I've never heard of Hearts of Iron or Thief, so I'll have to be on the lookout for those!

Dragon Quest VIII was a lot of fun, but random encounters were so ridiculous. My whole party would be level 20 and some level 1 blobs would come attack me, only to run away. Over and over and over again...

Don't worry about being "good" at Civ! You set your own difficulty level and I'll make sure we're all on the same team. I try to avoid wars and go for diplomacy/culture/space victories, in any case. I'll poke around with it this weekend. I thought they dismantled the online multiplayer thing a few years ago, but poking around online says that you can now play it through Steam. I don't know if that requires buying the freaking game again, though, so I'll let you know what I learn...

Speaking of A Link to the Past, has anyone played Skyward Sword? I don't have a Wii... though maybe I should just start a console gaming thread.

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on: December 15, 2011, 15:57
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Oh, and AC2 on the PC is only $10 on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Creed-2-Pc/dp/B001TOQ8R0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1323982585&sr=8-3

(The hundreds of negative reviews, btw, are because of Ubisoft's draconian DRM--not the game. I played it on the xbox so I didn't have to deal with the DRM.)

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on: December 15, 2011, 17:13
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Yeah, I remember fighting the level 1 blobs way up at 20th level in other versions of Dragon Quest. Pretty damned silly. It's funny the first couple of times but before long you just want it to stop.

Thief had the potential for being really great but they made a few mistakes with it that kept me from ever completing the game. I really need to take the time to get Thief 3 running on my system. Anyway, what I loved about it was that the whole point of the game was to be as sneaky and cautious as possible. None of that running around hacking and slashing all the time. You turn the lights down and the sound up and play it for a couple of hours and before long you're jumping at every little sound, afraid that someone heard you moving around. It was awesome.

Draconian DRM is the reason I've been toying with buying an Xbox for the last however many years. The only reason I haven't done it is I'm afraid I'll spend all my time playing it instead of getting other stuff done. I do have the Wii, but I haven't had the chance to buy Skyward Sword yet. Maybe after Christmas. Anyway, thanks for the link! Now I have to decide if I can risk buying it before Christmas. And if I want to deal with their DRM. Maybe I should just get the Xbox.

By the way, the Civ IV I have I bought from Steam because the complete package was all of four bucks during a huge sale a couple of years back. I don't really like Steam but sometimes it's just too convenient for me not to buy games from them.

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on: December 16, 2011, 12:10
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I thought Arkham Asylum did a great job as a stealth game--most of the time. It actually said, okay, so you're Batman. You don't have armor. You can win a fistfight, but if someone shoots you, you're dead. So you either have to sneak undetected, or take out guys one at a time stealthily, and you have to be smart about taking out the guys with guns and weapons first. Of course, the boss fights were all pretty stupid...

I was skeptical about the Xbox (I really loved the PS2), but I can honestly say it's one of the best gaming platforms ever. I'm going to be really sad when they finally retire it.

I did some research and it looks like Steam will NOT let you register your hard-copy CD version of the game. You have to buy it again, which, sigh, I love this game, but $30?!?! The game is almost seven years old!! I barely paid that much when it was new! Do you not have the PC version? Maybe I'll wait for a Steam sale. I hate paying twice for something...

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on: December 16, 2011, 14:48
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The only version I have came from a Steam sale. It was a good price and I was suddenly in the mood to play something new so I grabbed it. I can't believe that it's currently $30. That's outrageous. I'll keep an eye out for another sale and if I see one I'll let you know. I meant to check out the Multiplayer options last night but ran out of time.

Arkham Asylum was something I meant to buy but never got around to it. Now I've got Arkham City on my wish list. I've got a lot of games that I'd like to get but somehow never have time to buy, much less play.

I'm afraid that I'll probably end up picking up the Xbox just before they retire it. That exact thing happened with both the Atari and the original Nintendo and almost happened with the original Playstation.

By the way, do you use the Kinect?

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on: December 16, 2011, 15:54
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Arkham City is not good. Don't even bother.

Microsoft claims they will be supporting the Xbox through 2015 at least, so I think it's got a few more good years left. They seem really invested in advancing the Kinect, which I do not have but am interested in, mostly for fitness games. I don't and have never seen the appeal of waving your arms about trying to speak slowly to a machine as a main method of control, though. I'm a little crotchety about some technology. I dislike touch screens, too. But the flailing stuff reminds me too much of voice menus that companies use for customer support phone lines, where you say "REPRESENTATIVE!!!!!" a thousand times and it thinks you're trying to pay a bill before abruptly hanging up.

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on: December 16, 2011, 17:49
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I got my first console an Xbox in 2002 or 2003 as a reward for finishing my first novel wirtten in my adult years. (we shall not speak of the High years novel. The horrors.) I upgraded to the 360 when it came out and as Torie can attest when I'm online its nearly always Call of Duty. (Shotting things and blowin up stuff is a great stress reducer.) I tried CIv typ games on the 360, but my that is not the interface for me.
My desk top iMac has no games installed and for productivity sake I'm trying to keep it that way. (though I throughly enjoyed earlier version of Civ as I have said, and also games like SimCity, Sim Earth and MAster of Orion.)

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on: December 17, 2011, 02:48
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@toryx
Believe me, conquering all of France loses its thrill a bit when you realize you have to conquer the whole country a good three or four times in order to annex it all. You'd think by the third time in thirty years the Turks have sacked Paris, the provinces would be willing to capitulate...

Regarding Civ 4, it's totally possible to play games including both Steam & non-Steam users. The options are:

- Direct IP connection game: we've had some trouble in the past, but this may be a viable option. I think the big issue is that Torie and I are both on the same LAN, so it's difficult to connect without confusing the router. (Why this should be hard, I have no idea...)
- Private-party VPN software: Hamachi used to be the go-to for this, but it looks like they got bought out by LogMeIn and are no longer free. There may be some other alternatives -- something called Comodo, Wippien, and something else called Tunngle. We haven't done too much research yet, but of these Wippien seems to be the most promising... for the others, it looks like the usual rule applies: if you aren't paying, you're probably the product :)

Man, this will be fun. I haven't had a good Civ IV network party in a while :)

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on: December 17, 2011, 07:55
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Torie, I'm surprised to hear you say the Arkham City isn't good. All the reviews I've seen were spectacular, saying it was better than its predecessor. What's your problem with it?

Thief: Deadly Shadows has been described as a first-person sneaker. Apart from a few monsters and the final boss, you're really supposed to avoid killing anything. You sneak up on people and bash them over the head with your cosh, before hiding their unconscious forms somewhere out of the way. It really fits my preferred gaming style. Toryx is spot on with turning down the lights and using a good pair of headphones (directional sound is important). You get sucked in. For those who know the game, I wound up playing the Shalebridge Cradle mission when I was home alone for the weekend. At night. Right before I had to walk the dog before bed. It wasn't quite as bad as my Nosferatu experience, but yeek!

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Demetrios: I have no clue why those reviews say as such. Now full disclosure is that I didn't play the game, my roommate did, but I watched her play through the entire plot and it's just inferior in every way. For one, it gets Batman all wrong. Where in the last game he's smart, stealthy, and clever, here he's stupid, obvious, and practically a sociopath. Granted that this is a moral (rather than gameplay) issue I have, but one of the things that makes Batman who he is is the fact that he won't kill people, right? Well, the game ratcheted up the non-lethal violence to a degree I could not have imagined. You often interrogate people who beg you "I'll tell you everything, don't hurt me!" And Batman responds, "Of course you will," before beating the snot out of them. Graphically. He just surrendered! I found it rather disturbing, actually, how brutal and senselessly cruel he is.

And the beatings continue. You don't sneak into rooms anymore--you just punch everyone in the face. It feels like an entirely different game dressed up as Batman. The puzzles aren't challenging in an intellectual way. Instead they're extremely complicated hand-eye coordination challenges. I watched the roommie attempt to get a Riddler trophy for like 45 minutes. Because it was all about stepping on these blocks in sequence. It's not that you don't know what to do, it's that you seriously can't make Batman do it. The controls were all wonky and overly complicated. Batman can't jump! And there was way too much controller jockeying trying to do extremely specific things.

Then there's the plot, which makes no sense. My apartment had three people watching this game and none of us could figure out what was going on. Even by the end. And it's not because they're a bunch of comic in-jokes, as the roommie knows waaaay more about comics than I ever will. The main plot is actually really short, too--the rest of the game is taken up by over 400 Riddler trophies (seriously. four. hundred.). I love sidequests and I love collecting crap, as long as you can see a light at the end of the tunnel. It's clear they just didn't have much of a game and they didn't really think about it.

Lastly: it's rape-y. I don't know if this was an attempt to make the game "grittier" and "edgier," but all of the bad guys huddle up to talk about how much they want to rape Harley Quinn (whose character design has been reworked to incorporate 200% more slut), and how if she didn't have that pesky Joker around protecting her, they would ALL be tapping that. When you play the Catwoman missions the guards are even worse--they constantly refer to you as "that cat-bitch" (animal fail?) and talk about how hot you are. It's... very uncomfortable.

It looks like Thief is less than $10 on Amazon, so maybe I'll pick it up!

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on: December 17, 2011, 15:09
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Torie: that explains a lot and I think I would tend to agree with you. Mind you, the reviews I was seeing were from German gaming magazines, many of which tend to be slightly more sexist than American gaming magazines. Obviously they were going for more of a Frank Miller Batman, who is pretty damn violent. Of course the original Batman was pretty damn violent, too. He pushed villains off of buildings and whatnot all the time. As for the collecting business, Penny Arcade had a comic where Batman completely ignores some poor guy being mugged and beaten so he can go after a Riddler trophy.

Thief is totally worth ten bucks as long as you're reasonably patient. There's a lot of skulking, sneaking and waiting involved. If you're more the charge ahead type, it might not be your thing.

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on: December 18, 2011, 15:06
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Demetrios: I have a hard time believing that any gaming magazines are more sexist than American ones. My absolute favorite issue of GameInformer (which, by the way, had a staff of 30 and no women until about a year ago when they added a marketing chick) was an "examination" of why there aren't more women protagonists in games. Various designers hemmed and hawed about how hard it is to design women, I mean they have all these boobies and whatnot! But the best was the guy who created Gears of War (or Metal Gear Solid? Or Medal of Honor? I get them all confused...) explaining that there are no women soldiers in his games because women have the most important job in the war: making babies that will grow up to be more soldiers.

Seriously.

Anyway, I get the Frank Miller vibe but it doesn't match the last game at all, where he's violent without being senselessly cruel. (It's particularly incongruous with the ancillary cover art, which for some reason is designed like a romantic comedy movie poster.)

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on: December 18, 2011, 16:22
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Well, that's made clear whether I'll ever go for that particular game, anyway, thanks Torie. I'd heard some suggestions in this regard, but it's the first time I've seen a full-on takedown of what's wrong with the game. Sounds like something I'd loathe.

Of course, I am weirdly immune to that stuff while playing GTA. I don't know why. I think it's the huge, open-world/sandbox nature of the place, and that for the most part, one doesn't have to be a raging douchecanoe of a toolmeister while playing the game - it's possible, but not required, and it's perfectly possible to play most of the GTA series while experiencing no more misogyny than one gets walking down the street on a sunny day.

I also like that they're constantly insulting EVERYONE, and unlike the usual sources for that kind of humour, that explicitly includes those who benefit most from kyriarchal structures: in fact, as I experience it, most of the games contain more shots at people with privilege than without (think of the ads for the various Maibatsu SUVs and suburbia, the "please think of the children" conservative types being mocked, and also insults and mockery for various flavours of cis-het-white-boy gamers). When the humour really does take on all comers, it feels a lot less hurtful when the shots hit your own areas of sensitivity.

Plus, y'know, driving cars fast and shooting things with rocket launchers in !Manhattan is fun. :D

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Yeah, okay, I'm dropping Arkham City from my to-buy list. That business with the rape-y aspect would just piss me off. I have no desire to support that kind of storytelling.

But the best was the guy who created Gears of War (or Metal Gear Solid? Or Medal of Honor? I get them all confused...) explaining that there are no women soldiers in his games because women have the most important job in the war: making babies that will grow up to be more soldiers.

Jesus, I hate people sometimes.

Anyway...

I've been intrigued by the Kinect fitness stuff. I bought and used a ton of the Wii fitness programs and quite enjoyed them for a while but there are some of the things with the remote that are so reliable that it can get too frustrating. I was thinking that if the Kinect solved a lot of those problems, I might be that much more interested. Of course, the other question is whether or not my living room is actually large enough for it to work well.

bobsandiego: Man, I loved Masters of Orion back in the day. That was another that I spent way too many hours playing in the wee hours of the night.

Deepthought: It sounds like an online game may well be a reality then! Now we just need to find the time. Boy I sure wish I still worked at a place that gave me the whole week between Christmas and New Years off.

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on: December 19, 2011, 19:52
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Cait: GTA exists in a bubble outside of reality. Beating up hookers and running over ambulances is totally okay in that world! The Dead Rising games are similarly violent and sandboxy, but because they have a sense of humor it doesn't feel so grotesque. But Batman...Batman is dark and broody and a total headcase but he's not an all-out sociopath. Or at least, I don't really want to see him as one in my games. I do recommend Arkham Asylum, though, as long as you have some patience for repetition.

Also, having re-watched Escape from New York recently, Arkham City is just a more brutal rip-off. All you need are the various guards saying, "I thought you were dead!" and you've got an unconscious pastiche.

Toryx: I should've framed it, really. It came out right around the time of Fable III, because it's such a Big Deal that in Fable you can boink whoever you want.

The space issue is the big reason I haven't bought the Kinect. Typical NYC apartment and all. But I'm interested in the various fitness games like YouShape because I feel a full-body scanner would be AWESOME at, say, getting yoga poses right. I'm also interested in the dancing games, but the downstairs neighbors might not be.

I'm on Steam (as "torie") if anyone wants to shoot zombies in Left 4 Dead 2, but just send me an e-mail if you want to set up a Civ IV game. I'll install Wippien and give that a try.

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on: December 20, 2011, 01:34
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Beating up hookers and running over ambulances is totally okay in that world!

Totally - but my point is, you almost never HAVE to do those things. In fact, there was one guy who made a really cool series of blog posts about playing GTAIV with the fewest possible killings of ANYONE. I think he got away with two where he had to directly kill someone. All the other game goals could be accomplished by either at worst indirect (car accidents, explosions) means or by not killing anyone. Very cool experiment.

Anyway, I admit my adoration for the game is out of character and odd.

I'm not really a fan of zombies at all, so I'm not all that jazzed about playing a game based on them, unfortunately - people have recommended the Fallout series as well, but I have similar concerns. Playing Uncharted was really cool for me, until those horrible things came along, and then it was creepy and...unpleasant, for me. Red Dead was good for it too, with the Grand Theft Horsey approach, and again had some different and interesting side quests: hunting skills, foraging skills, stealth, there were a lot of interesting things about those two as well.

Maybe it's just the way I play them? I dunno. I don't really defend it as a...well, a defensible thing. Love is a mystery. ;)

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on: December 20, 2011, 09:15
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CaitieCat:

I'm not a fan of zombies either. I didn't particularly care for them when the latest zombie craze hit and I'm even less interested in them now. Fallout, incidentally, isn't really a zombie game. There are a few zombie-like creatures in it but it's by and large more a mutant thing than an undead shambling monster thing.

I've never actually played any of the GTA games in part because of the murder and mayhem aspect of it. But I have to admit, the idea of trying to kill as few people as humanly possible is one I find intriguing. Hmm.

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on: December 21, 2011, 11:45
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I blame all of you. I just want that out there. LOL
grrr CIV IV now resides on my iMac and I spent like 4 hours playing it last night. I'm going to have to re-learn some self-control.

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on: December 21, 2011, 11:53
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bob: Let's do it! Are you and toryx free at all during the holidays? Both DT and I will be around.

Re: L4D2, I only play it because it's one of the few co-op multiplayer games out there. Sometimes Eugene and I will hop on Steam and play.

I really want to play the Uncharted games, but no PS3.

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on: December 21, 2011, 13:54
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I think I could free up a few hours on Saturday or Monday. (With my current arthritis flare its unlikely we'll be going to the zoo anyway.)
I suspect I'll get crushed and you two will do a supirority dance. LOL

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Bobsandiego: I think Torie and I were planning on playing more of a cooperative game than an antagonistic one.

I might have time over the holidays to play for a while. Actually if we can get away with doing it during the day, I could probably manage any day from Saturday through Monday. The tricky part will be the three hour time difference between us and bobsandiego.

By the way, I'm also planning to be in NYC for New Years weekend in case anyone wants to get together for a drink or something. If things go well (i.e., we're not surprised by some massive last minute blizzard) I'll probably be going down to the city on Friday the 30th and coming back Sunday the 1st.

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on: December 22, 2011, 11:50
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Toryx: but there's nothing like bombing pikemen from the air! :)

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Hey man, I can't argue that. We'll just bomb the pikesmen of the evil countries.

Speaking of which, does anyone have any particular favorite countries/ leaders they like to play?

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on: December 22, 2011, 15:26
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Evil= civilzations other than me. :D
By they way I can start early for me say about 8:30 so about 11:30 on your distorted time frame.

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on: December 22, 2011, 22:16
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bob and toryx: I can do Saturday morning or evening EST, or Monday morning/afternoon. EST, of course. Tues and Wednesday I'm free most of the day, too.

And yeah, I want to do co-op. We can do the four of us versus four (or five) AIs.

I tend to prefer creative/financial types, but I always just click Random and see who I get. :)

toryx: We should totally meet up for drinks! I'm, again, free Saturday morning/late evening, or Monday morning/afternoon. Do either of those work for you? Eugene's unfortunately out of town (moreso than usual) so he won't be able to join us. I'll drag DeepThought along, surely.

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on: December 22, 2011, 22:18
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Oh, and toryx, I can give you your tribbles in person!

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My schedule for tomorrow (Saturday) is pretty open from about 9:30 am to roughly 4 pm EST. A lot of the Christmas celebratory stuff is happening tomorrow evening at my house.

Monday I should be available for gaming pretty much all day.

Torie and DeepThought: Meeting up for drinks etc. and tribbles would be great! I won't be in town anymore on the 2nd (Monday) and I've got lots of crazy NYE plans for Saturday (31st) evening but I've got no plans for Saturday (31st) morning through afternoon. Whereabouts in the city are you generally located? I'm going to be staying at a friend's near 35th and Lexington but I can pretty much go anywhere.

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on: December 23, 2011, 10:12
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Toryx: D'oh! For some reason I thought you were talking about meeting up this weekend. Next weekend is fairly open. I'll be busy Friday but I'm free Saturday and Sunday (Monday I have to work anyway). We live in Harlem but we're better off meeting downtown somewhere. As someone with a distinct homebody persuasion I am not familiar with bars or whatever else the cool kids are up to... I guess I could Google it. That's hip, right?

Re Civ IV: Tomorrow I'm free in the morning (9am is fine) until about 1pm. Monday I'm free in the morning until maybe 4pm. Shall I send you guys an e-mail so we can schedule off the boards?

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on: December 23, 2011, 10:12
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I couln't start any sooner than 11:30 EST, and as for preferences I guess I like the Romans.

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on: December 23, 2011, 14:02
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Torie: Yeah, I thought you might have gotten the weekends mixed up. It would have been pretty funny, though, to be playing Civ IV with you all while I was just a handful of miles away.

Anyway, Saturday the 31st should work great to meet somewhere. I'm not overly familiar with the bars in the city these days either. To make it easier for you both, we could try and meet somewhere on the upper west side. I'm a little more familiar with that part of the city and I know there are a bunch of decent places off of Amsterdam north of 72nd for the Columbia crowd.

Civ IV: It probably would be a good idea to move scheduling to email. freetoryx at gmail is the email you can use initially.

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on: December 23, 2011, 18:09
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bobevans@robertmitchellevans.com to contact me.

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on: December 27, 2011, 20:32
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Well I got Skyrim for Christmas. And Steam is having another week of crazy sales which led me to buy KoTOR for a whole $2.50. I think I'm going to be buying Assassin's Creed II from Amazon for $10. And I ended up installing the expansions to Civ IV so that I can play that too.

The only question is, when am I going to have time to play these games?

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on: December 27, 2011, 21:08
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Toryx, thanks for the notice on KotOR. I borrowed my friend's CDs a while ago, but I've been waiting for it to be ridiculously cheap on Steam. I just bought it. I only started the game this year, and maybe got a couple of hours in, but it's as awesome as people say and I definitely want to finish it one day, whenever I have the time... That's the tricky bit, isn't it?

I don't play computer games much so I haven't been following this thread closely, but I'll check back to make sure I haven't missed anything :) I mostly play NES, Wii, DS, and some Xbox games when I do have time for them.

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on: December 27, 2011, 21:12
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Aargh, and I'm sorry to see I'll miss meeting up with you while you're in NYC!

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Eugene: Glad to help with sharing the KotOR discount. Always fun to find such good sales, isn't it? After trying to decide whether or not I could bear the draconian DRM with Assassin's 2 for, like, a week, I came home from work this afternoon to discover that it was $5 for an Amazon download. Too cheap for me to pass up but I'm really glad I was so indecisive about it!

What're your favorite Wii games, Eugene? Any in particular? Sorry to be missing you in NYC this weekend too, but given that it's a holiday I'm not at all surprised. Next time, hopefully!

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on: December 29, 2011, 08:10
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Toryx: In this case, I won't be around because I'm going to a wedding in Florida on New Year's Eve! But I hope to catch you next time.

I pretty much wanted a Wii for Super Mario Galaxy, and that and New Super Mario Bros Wii are still my favorites. I also love House of the Dead Overkill and some of the downloadable games, like Mega Man 9 (which is also available on Xbox Arcade). Judging from my wife's progress in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, I will also love that.

The problem, of course, is that I don't prioritize games over nearly anything else, so it always takes me a while to finish games. I'm in the middle of Okami, which is terrific, and I have started and loved Prince of Persia: Forgotten Sands (way different from the Xbox version), Epic Mickey, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and Lost in Shadow. I have many more unplayed and unopened games waiting for me to get to them, on multiple systems. If you like Street Fighter games and anime, I'd recommend Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. And Super Mario Kart Wii is as fun as any game in that series.

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Eugene: Well, we missed you but I'm sure a wedding in Florida made for a good alternative. Did you get to do anything else fun while you were down there?

I really liked Super Mario Galaxy and I keep meaning to get the sequel but haven't gotten around to it. Likewise I liked the first Wii Legend of Zelda and plan to get Skyward Sword one of these days too.
Super Mario Kart is a blast. That's probably my favorite Wii game, actually.

Like you, I don't prioritize games. I just go through phases when I play to exclusion before realizing that I've got other things I have to get done and then I stop for a while. There's tons of games I started but never finished.

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on: January 12, 2012, 12:57
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I just wanted to note for posterity that I had a truly fabulous time with toryx! I hope to meet the rest of you at some point...

Bob, Toryx, DeepThought and I have all started a Civ IV game, so if anyone else wants to hop in just drop me a line.

Anyone playing Skyrim and/or The Old Republic?

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I had such a good time that I'd totally do it again. Although perhaps without drinking quite so many screwdrivers. :)

I'm playing Skyrim. I haven't had much time though, so I've not gotten that far. I haven't picked up The Old Republic yet. I don't care much for MMORRGs, though I have to admit that one has made me rather curious.

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on: January 26, 2012, 14:08
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Overheard from my sweetie-wife last night "You never going to get anything written if you keep playing that game."
*sigh* The dreaded siren call of Civ IV. LUckily I did put the game aside and did real work, but boy it was tough.
LOL

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on: January 27, 2012, 09:57
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And it's all our fault. :)

I've gotten to the point where I only play Civ IV when I'm playing with you fine people.

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